Friday, May 21, 2010

Cookie and Muffin Plan A Road Trip- Continuing.....The Justice For Caylee Anthony Saga


During this chapter of Continuing .....The Justice For Caylee Anthony Saga..... Rather than focusing on the circumstances surrounding the 2008 disappearance (or kidnapping, if you believe Princess Casey's fairy tale) and death of  two year old Caylee Marie, or the efforts of law enforcement to solve Caylee's murder. We have an unusual opportunity to get to know a little more about how Caylee's mother (and accused killer) 24 year old Casey Anthony thinks.

Casey was arrested and charged with child abuse and  lying to law enforcement about the circumstances of Caylee's disappearance within 24 hours of Caylee being reported missing on the evening of July 15, 2008. ( 31 days after Caylee was "reportedly" last seen ) The day after that, Casey hired attorney Jose Baez and instead of  helping with the search for her missing daughter ( beyond the wild goose chase she had taken law enforcement through the day before ), she
decided to invoke her right to remain silent. Casey Anthony was in and out of Orange County Jail (OCJ )  several times for felony economic charges until a grand jury handed down a seven count indictment against her (including one count of !st degree murder) on October 14, 2008. Anthony has since been in protective custody at the OCJ on a "no bond" hold, awaiting her capital murder trial. The trial is scheduled to start on May 9, 2011.,

We've heard a lot about the Anthony family through TV ( news interviews and jailhouse visits ) as well as other forms of media released under the "Florida Sunshine Laws" ( such as depositions and interviews  by LE of Casey Anthony's family and friends and neighbors). A recent form of media that's been released as part of the discovery process are a group of letters Casey allegedly wrote to fellow OCJ inmate Robyn Adams and a  supplemental report from the Orange County Sheriff's Office (OCSO) about verbal discussions that Casey allegedly had with Robin Adams and Maya Derkovic while the three were incarcerated at the OCJ and an investigation into the alleged assistance with their communications by a corrections officer at the OCJ.(The pages in the report that deal with the investigation and interviews with Derkovic and Adams  are pages 1-8 and 160-268, respectively. The supplemental report includes interviews with other areas of investigation that I won't cover in this entry.)

You can read more of the background information of these "two friends" and the investigation that was conducted after Maya Derkovic approached law enforcement about her and Robyn Adam's communications with Casey Anthony in my last post on this case.

I have read all of the jailhouse letters, which to be quite honest is a somewhat tedious process.  These letters are at times funny, sometimes very sad, often confusing because they are all over the place, mostly they are unbelievable, but that's because of "who" wrote them more than what they say. In fairness, it will be up to the jury to decide what weight they give the letters and any of the statements alleged by Derkovic and Adams, should the state or the defense introduce them at trial. Here are a couple of random samples from the collection of letters:
One of Casey's Letters to Robyn

One of Robyn's Letters to Tracy


































In this post, I want to talk about some of the things in the letters that made an impression on me; however, I'll do so as I address each of the 4 statements made in the defense response to Anthony's letters (numbered in the order I'll address them below).
Here we go......

At the indigency hearing on March 18, 2010,  Ninth Circuit Judge Stan Strickland unsealed the letters (sealed at state's request until the investigation was done) and allowed Casey Anthony's defense 15 days to decide whether they would seek to have the letters remain sealed. On April 5, 2010, the Anthony defense announced in the following statement in the press they wouldn't fight the release of the letters.

Liz Brown, of the DePaul Center for Justice in Capital Cases, released the following statement as the Defense Response to Anthony's letters:
"(1)The letters released today reflect the natural desire for companionship when isolated for 23 hours a day,  and (3) clearly demonstrate Casey's unconditional love for her daughter, Caylee. Despite these intentions, (2) it is obvious in the letters authored by Robyn Adams that her sole purpose and only goal in corresponding with Casey Anthony was to create 'leverage to get out of prison early.'  Furthermore,(4) despite numerous inaccurate media reports, the letters written by Casey Anthony do not contain a single reference to chloroform or any admissions of guilt. Casey Anthony maintains her innocence and looks forward to her day in court."

Outline of Katfish.....Ponders' Response to the Statements included in the Defense Response to the Jailhouse Letters, Followed by Discussion of the Content in the Letters 


(1)  CRAZY CONVICTED GIRLS GONE WILD
"The letters released today reflect the natural desire for companionship when isolated for 
 23 hours a day."
 I agree with Liz Brown that these letters reflect a natural desire for companionship that comes from being isolated for 23 hours a day. Though some of Ms. Anthony's isolation is self imposed, she would be allowed some visits and to make phone calls but has decided to refuse those privileges.  Any outside contact beyond her "Dream Team" and the prison Chaplain is refused, reportedly because these are the only visits that are exempt from the Sunshine Law. Although the defense doesn't acknowledge it, Robyn Adams was also in protective custody and most likely in need of companionship too when she and Casey began communicating. Although Casey destroyed Robyn's letters to her (* flusharooni* was the plan) you can figure out Robyn's side of some of their conversations by reading Casey's replies. I won't be delving too deeply into Robyn's side of the conversation because this entry will be long enough as it is.

The content of the letters that reflect a need for companionship manifest in several ways, from talk of the  mundane aspects of their day to attempts at raising each other's spirit, getting to know each other and confiding to each other, as well as offering comfort and advice to one another. There are probably others but I'll stick with these...LOL!

When Casey and Robyn share the mundane aspects of their life it is often inter-sprinkled with attempts to cheer each other up. For instance, their fondness for muffins and cookies translated to nicknames for each other. Casey is "Muffin" and Robyn is "Cookie".

Just for the record, a few of the things Casey is sick of  is hot dogs and bologna and Ramen noodles, she craves a Snoopy Snow Cone maker, Smoothies and Chocolate- Swiss Cow Milk. and  some of the things she wishes she had in jail are basketball shorts, a comfy sports bra tank top, a pink hair removal pad she saw on a commercial (Adding, she may try and get her boys to order it for her, shock! Would that "Smooth Away" be considered contraband, like the letters from her parents or the blue pen Cookie gave her? I think so.)
 
When writing, Casey spends a great deal of her time focusing on the discomforts of jail, what she plans to do when she gets out. She talks about her past (as it pertains to how it effected her) and her aspirations for the future. Most of Robyn's focus seemed to be her legal situation, the affect on her kids and family and her own discomforts with being incarcerated, but she did play along a bit when they made plans for their future. Casey is very supportive of "Everything Cookie" in all of her letters.( She seemed to take immediately to the role of supportive little sister.) Did I mention they talk about God a lot and how good he thinks they are?

It seems both Cookie and Muffin enjoyed passing time fantasizing themselves on a 'Thelma and Louise' type RV trip, that, or an RV Ministry they'll call the 'Sisterhood of the Traveling RV'. They even have some bumper sticker ideas for their RV, ' Legal Partners in Crime' and ' Crazy Convicted Girls gone Wild' . Casey writes Robyn that RV pricing will be fun. The RV will be custom designed, all colorful and creative, adding she wonders what will happen when they put two Photographers / artists together in one RV? *sneeze* Oh, and did I mention they talk about God a lot and how good he thinks they are?
( I think I'll add a dose of reality here....what you get when 2 ex - cons go pricing an RV upon release from the slammer, will probably  look more like this  one below than what Casey has cooked up in her head.)
When Casey talked about their plans for the RV ministry, coming to a city near you she wrote, " We'll bank on the book, travel lots, set-up shop in a fine city in ye ole' US of A, maybe settle a sports bar and definitely a crafty, artsy fartsy place. Sold! Talk about stickers and crafts, I've been making stuff 4 EVER! " ( I hate to say this but it popped in my head....We are quite familiar with your artsy fartsy "sticker" work Casey.....does that explain the heart sticker on the duct tape? grrrrr) Will that be a Sports Bar for the Lord? Oh yeah, I almost forgot, the book that will bank the trip is a "cook book they'll write via different dishes savored while driving the nation". *sneeze* Did I mention they both talk about God a lot and how good he thinks they are? Moving along......


Things Casey says she wants when she is released are," I can't wait to get my teeth whitened and to use my regular toothbrush,toothpaste, shampoo and conditioner....I swear, I won't become obsessively girly! I still have no desire to wear heels unless the occasion calls for it. But Converse, boots and REAL flip flops....ah~ and hats, regular ball caps, sunglasses, and underwear that fits." Then she adds, " Is that vain? Should I not look forward to these things? No matter how little or how much money I have someday, all I want is to live comfortably, not worrying about bills, food or even a few clothes. Everything in moderation and modesty. I want to donate money to charities- leukemia research, breast cancer, cervical cancer (the former for yourself-in your honor) and the latter because of my family and my own physical health." *Sneeze*

This seems like a good spot to segue into Casey's health fears (bordering on hypochondria IMO). Casey writes, " I've been thinking about getting tested for breast cancer and having them check the cell count on the pre-cervical cancer ( crossed fingers that it's still inactive ) but I have a feeling that will constitute a trip to the hospital. No thanks. Not right now. It sucks not having any health insurance- mine expired at the end of the year." Hmmm....would that be insurance from her job at Universal? Right!

In several areas of the letters Casey talks about having seizures in her sleep. She says it started the first time she was bonded out of jail but has continued since she came back in. In her words to Robyn, " I bit my tongue two nights in a row in my sleep....and unfortunately that means something very unpleasant happened, again: seizures. That's the best and easiest way for me to know. Add waking up soaking wet from sweat and somewhat disoriented- definitely a seizure. I don't walk or talk in my sleep, and even if I did, more than likely I wouldn't almost bite my tongue off. I guess all of my headaches make sense too-they aren't all associated with my allergies. I need to tell Jose and see what I need to do about this. I don't care how stressed out someone gets , headaches and seizures don't sound very normal to me." I wonder what advice Dr. Baez gave her on that?

Casey also comments through-out her letters about skin rashes, but  she seems to pretty much accept they aren't serious. I can reassure her on that, it looked like good ole acne to me when they showed her back in the tattoo picture. There is one more symptom Casey mentions through-out her letters.....an intermittent sneeze. Don't worry though, these aren't health related sneezes, they are signals from God affirming or denying thoughts or words. (Yep, confirm that with another *sneeze*) It seems obvious Casey is very immature and narcissistic, but like it or not, I think this girl is troubled beyond that.
As I mentioned above, Casey also shared some of her past  and aspirations for her future with Robyn. I'll start with the past because that is where the "meat" is. Keep in mind, Casey is a pathological liar when reading about her past. (There is even some things in her past that she admits she isn't certain happened.)

Anthony stated in the letters that she's an emotional wreck and said she was sexually abused."I woke up night after night with my sports bra lifted over my chest or if I had a regular bra, it would be unhooked," Anthony wrote. Anthony claimed her brother would walk into her room at night and feel her breasts."This went on for over three years before I finally stood up to Lee and told him if he ever came in my room again, I'd kill him," Anthony wrote.

Anthony said she informed her mother about the incidents, but that Cindy Anthony turned on her."When I told my mom about it two years ago, she made excuses, saying that he was sleepwalking. Not only did she say I was lying, but when I explained everything, her reaction was literally like a knife in my chest: 'So that's why you're a whore?"  Casey claimed she sought help from a doctor on her own when she was 18. Anthony said she has since forgiven her brother."That's why we're more friends than brother and sister, but even with openly forgiving him, part of that pain will always live in me."Anthony wrote.

Anthony also claimed she thought her father, George Anthony, did the same things to her when she was much younger. She wrote," Over the past few months, I've been having really vivid dreams, and it's obvious that they are dreams of things that have already happened. I think my dad used to do the same thing to me. I can see him in my room, exactly the way it was when I was in elementary school and everything gets fuzzy. But I wake up feeling both sore and sick to my stomach, the way I used to feel growing up. Maybe that's part of the reason I have so much anxiety with my parents."

Brad Conway, the attorney for the Anthony family, said, "The Anthony family denies that there was any improper sexual behavior in their family, nor was there ever a time when Casey told them of inappropriate conduct by her brother or father."

Another area of the past Anthony shared was getting pregnant with "Cays". (You can try and read for yourself in the sample letter above page # 13649 "You and me, Two Peas in a pod.") She seems to confirm Caylee's father is a guy she slept with at the end of November 2004, named Erik from Kentucky although she doesn't 100% rule out Jessie, they slept together in January 2005.. (She expressed some doubt to the accuracy of the paternity test Jesse had done because it took a long time to get the results. She said Jose Baez tried to confirm the results, but Jessie refused to give him DNA.) 
~ A great blogger named Snoopysleuth left a comment below to let us know that Eric James Baker moved to Kentucky and got killed in a motor vehicle accident there in the spring of 2007. I moved it up here for those who may skip the comments. Thanks for the details Snoopy!~

 Anthony also wrote about the search for her daughter, Caylee Anthony. She wrote," You want to know something, I know that Caylee's nanny, the "real" Zenaida, the girl that'd been my friend for 4 years, I know in my heart that she's not responsible but I don't blame her for not showing her face. Would you want to be sitting here with me for something you didn't do?" Casey then added," Considering the circumstances, you technically are and it sucks....And I know this goes without saying,, but outside of my self and my legal team, not a soul knows this..........Casey said she asked Zenaida Gonzalez to watch Caylee so she could prepare to move away with her daughter."Unfortunately, my plans got beyond tangled when Zany wouldn't tell me where she and Caylee were. I had asked her to take Cays for a few days, so I could put the rest of our stuff together, money I had saved, new clothes, new everything," Anthony wrote. "That's why I waited to report her missing, because she was and wasn't. I would give anything to go back to that day and to have not let Caylee out of my sight"
(Is it just me or does her last sentence seem out of place with the circumstances she describes???)


Hmmm......Anthony reported on her first application for indigency on July 16, 2008,  that she had $1200 in savings. I never have heard if that was verified, but if so, where did she earn or steal that? (I mentioned in an earlier entry, Casey also wrote in $1400 bi- weekly for earnings and then thought other-wise and crossed it out $1400 bi-weekly earnings. I thought that was kind of funny, you lie long enough you start to believe the lie?) Why did she need to steal from Amy if she had money in savings? We saw Casey buy clothes at Target with Amy's checkbook, but she definitely didn't buy anything for Caylee.


Casey's letters also told Robyn she suffered a miscarriage in 2007, something she said," only a handful of friends knew about." For some reason she felt the need to add,"I made the mistake of telling Lee, and the week of my 21st birthday, he told my Mom. Lovely! I may have a big mouth, but I can keep a secret" Obviously, most people aren't that loyal. Oh well. We live and learn, stumble and fall, and we dust ourselves off and keep moving forward." Casey acknowledges in her normal way (as in how Robyn's struggles effects her) that Robyn must have shared some of her own struggles in a previous note, she wrote, " It's a comfort to know other people have BS too."

I don't know about you but, to be honest all these Casey fables are kind of wearing on me so I'll share one more and then move on. I thought this one was a perfect analogy of how Casey thinks.....this is what she wrote, " Baby talk.....I always wanted to adopt a baby or child from another country - is it selfish to want one from Ireland? Accent and all? If I do someday, I'll adopt local - US wise."

UMMMM, Yeah right....that's going to happen.
  
(2) FRIENDSHIP WITH A SILVER LINING or A GET OUT OF JAIL EARLY CARD? 
 "It is obvious in the letters authored by Robyn Adams that her sole purpose and only goal in corresponding with Casey Anthony was to create 'leverage to get out of prison early."
I think it's important to point out  that while Adam's letters to her friend, Tracy,  do question the possibility of benefiting from keeping the letters, the fact remains, she is not the one who approached law enforcement (LE) and the transcript of her interviews show that she reluctantly agreed to turn the letters over and take part in the investigation..
Robyn entered into a plea deal (10 years in a Federal prison  for drug conspiracy charges and weapons charges) at the end of September 2008, but wasn't formally sentenced until January 2009 and then stayed at OCJ for another six months or so. Maya accepted a plea deal (30 years in state prison for murder). Katfish...ponders hasn't found evidence that Derkovic or Adams benefited in any way by coming forward, if they have and they testify you can be sure it will come out in court. There have also been media reports that Adams tried to sell the letters before she was approached by LE, I don't know if that's true, but even if it was, the letters are now public record so no one will have need to pay for them.

                   (3) MOMMY, MOMMY, MOMMY DO YOU LOVE ME?
 " The letters clearly demonstrate Casey's unconditional love for her daughter, Caylee."
 I've went over these letters and even though she does talk about Caylee, somewhat, I can't seem to find where these letters clearly demonstrate Casey's unconditional love for her daughter, Caylee. Anthony said she loved her daughter and believed she was a good mother in search of some freedom."I don't know one single mom who doesn't try to get their freedom regardless of how old they are. That's one of the biggest things that truly cuts me when I hear them talk about me as a mother. I was a great mom. And I love my daughter with everything that I have. I would give my life to have her back even for five minutes," Anthony wrote.

 Anthony wrote that she continues to talk to Caylee every day. (in her letters, she refers to Caylee as Cays)
"When I tell Cays how much I love her, I've always ended it with 'forever and always.' I still do to this day. I talk to her throughout the day, as I do daddy , and it brings a sense of peace to my heart," Anthony wrote. "Thinking about it brings tears to my eyes and a smile to my face. I'm an emotional wreck." Have I mentioned lately Casey and Robyn both talk about God aka "daddy" a lot and how good he thinks they are?

I would normally not be skeptical about the comfort anyone receives from God, but I just have to say.... All of the religious banter, citing of scriptures, and talk of their love for God just comes off as disingenuous to me. Before jail, Robyn grew pot and sold it on a large scale, she stole prescriptions from her employer and she and her husband were both sentenced as addicts. Casey was a liar, a thief and a big ole party girl before Caylee went missing. Where was the concern for their children and their God when they were free to live as they chose? I could be wrong but it seems more like a convenience more than a belief.
                                  
(4)  SOMETIMES YOU WONDER, WHO CAN YOU  TRUST?
"Furthermore, despite numerous inaccurate media reports, the letters written by Casey Anthony do not contain a single reference to chloroform or any admissions of guilt. Casey Anthony maintains her innocence and looks forward to her day in court."
 I agree with the defense on this statement. It was wrongly reported that these letters contains references to using chloroform to sedate Caylee. Even though we don't know the cause of  Caylee's death or exactly how the state alleges Caylee died, we have heard about traces of chloroform found in the trunk of Casey's car and computer searches for chloroform. Inaccurate reports that said Casey wrote she had used chloroform to sedate Caylee could be interpreted as an admission of guilt. The OCSO Supplemental Report does include statements from Derkovic and Adam's alleging Casey made these statements and others that "could be deemed incriminating" to them. I say "could be deemed incriminating" because there is a HUGE difference between statements in Casey's own hand writing and those alleged to have been made verbally to a  fellow inmate. Just saying. There is plenty of evidence out there without inaccurate reports.

Although Maya Derkovic and Casey had talked a bit through the ventilation system, Maya was only in the Lima dorm for a short time before transferring to a state prison. For this reason, I'm not going to spend time going  into claims that Derkovic made about things that Casey Anthony told her. I have seen nothing that shows they talked beyond the "vent". I just don't think Casey would make any significant admissions into a vent that anyone could hear, especially to someone she didn't feel she knew well.

Robyn and Casey's rooms (cells) were never close enough to have vent talk, but it didn't take them long to work out ways to communicate by letter and signal to each other at their windows and eventually convince Sylvia Hernandez to break jail rules and allow them to talk through the 'bean hole' in Casey's door regularly and a occasionally Robyn was allowed to enter Casey's cell. Anthony and Adams were the only stationary (being held in protective custody long term) inmates in dorm L. The harassment both Anthony and Adams received from the other prisoners seems to be a catalyst to their friendship as well as their mutual disgust with the vent talkers. (It seems vent talk is  mostly "sex talk", " fighting" and "howling at the moon").

According to the investigator's report included in the OCSO Supplemental report, Adams and Anthony had conversations in reference to the discovery of Caylee Anthony's body. Adams recalled seeing a story on the news in which it was being reported that divers had located a "bag of bones" in the river at Blanchard Park. That night, Adams went to Anthony to talk to her about it. Anthony told Adams that it was not her daughter. Adams recalled Anthony giggling about the story as if Anthony knew it wasn't her daughter.

When Anthony was told that authorities had found human remains in the woods by her mother's house, she became nervous and scared. This was the first time Adams saw fear in Anthony. Anthony told Adams they found "remains" and were taking it to have "DNA done". Anthony also told Adams that the remains were found in a black garbage bag with a baby blanket. This conversation took place shortly after Anthony was notified of the discovery by the prison Chaplain. Due to Anthony's differing reaction when hearing of the Blanchard Park discovery and the discovery of the bag by Anthony's mother's house, Adams felt as if the discovery in the woods was in fact Caylee and that Casey knew that as well. According to Adams, Anthony did not show any remorse.

 Investigators said in their report, Adams told them that Anthony would give Caylee "stuff" to make her sleep.Anthony and Adams discussed chloroform, and Anthony told Adams she would give the toddler "antihistamines or something" to make her sleep. Caylee would have a hard time taking naps, because she was afraid of "missing out on something". Adams said that Casey used the phrase "knock her out" in reference to medicating Caylee to help her sleep. "Casey Anthony liked to have her days free."

 Like I said above, it remains to be seen whether the state or the defense choose to use any of the information from the letters or the "alleged" statements by Casey Anthony to Robyn Adams and Maya Derkovic. I heard today that the prosecution has sent the letters to the FBI to be analyzed along with a letter Casey had written to the Orange County Sheriff shortly after she was indicted. The jury will decide what weight they will place on this evidence as they determine the guilt or innocence of Casey Anthony for the murder of Caylee Anthony.
*sneeze* (that's mine)

For your convenience, a partial  index for:
 "Casey's Jailhouse Letters"
Casey's letters- pages 1-11,15-16.19-24,29-31,35-46, 47-54, 59-61,63-67, 69,
                                     96-98,103-106,111-113,118-119, 132, 140-145,148-150,
                                          153-160, 163, 167-170, 174-175, 178-180, 182-186, 188-198

Robyn's letters to Tracy - pages 18, 25, 56-57, 92-95,114-115,165-166, 205-206, 211

 The pages through 211 that are not listed are envelopes and cutout, jokes, cards beyond that it's duplications as far as I can see.

 OSCO Supplemental Report
    The pages in the report that deal with the investigation of the letters and 
interviews with Derkovic and Adams  are pages 1-8 and 160-268, respectively. There are also interviews with Linda Tinnelli, Krystal Holloway,
Cecilia Benhaida and Rozzi Franco in this report

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29 comments:

  1. This is Kadrmas21 speaking. Yes in reading these letters, while at times it does show a more human side to Casey as in she does not come as being robotic, her penchant for tall tales continues in these letters. Alleging that both Lee and George sexually abused her (in my opinion this did not happen) but it draws attention to Casey and makes Casey out to be the victim. In fact I even think that she might have planted that story in purpose. If she is convicted I do think that in the penalty phase knowing her, she will just throw out everything so she will say that she is screwed up because her brother and father sexually abused her.

    I have and do write to many prisoners. Looking at the letters from Casey, it is clear that jail is taking a toll on her mentally. Clearly she had mental issues long before she was ever in jail, when I say mental issues I mean that severe narcissism she suffers from. However the one trait that is common in folks that have been in jail or prison for a while, particularly when they are pretty isolated like Casey is, is paranoia. I imagine being confined to a room the size of a bathroom for 23 hours a day with no direct human contact would do that to a person. So yeah, while Casey's narcissism is as strong as ever she clearly has gone downhill mentally in the over year and a half she has been locked up as in her paranoia and the like.

    I knew Casey was narcissistic and severely so and a pathological liar but wow, I had no idea it was as bad as it actually is. Reading these letters it is just obvious that Casey is delusional. When I say this, I do not mean that she does not know right for wrong or that she is hearing voices or seeing things that are not there, so I do not mean insane. However she is delusional as I think she really believes a lot of this crap she says. I think she just tells herself it so many times she starts to believe her own lies.

    I did find it interesting that she claims to now suffer from epilepsy. I myself have epilepsy. While biting your tongue does happen in a grand mal seizure (I have had a couple of these) there is much more that happens. Your muscles contract so you in essence are tensing your muscles to the full extent and even if the seizure lasts only a minute or two it is still very tiring. Your muscles ache, your tongue is bit up, you are very tired. So I am not convinced that she is having these. Plus if she really was, why not get meds for them? I take meds for mine. It is not 100 percent full proof but they do lessen substantially the probability of you having an episode or the frequency in which you have them and the severity of them.

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  2. Also reading these letters, I was struck by how immature Casey is. I mean I knew she was already immature but I had no idea just how severe it was. She acts like somebody that is about 10 years younger. Casey is now 24 but she acts like someone that is 13 or 14. My guess is, if this thing winds up at a penalty phase, I would think the defense would put a shrink on the stand but perhaps not? The reason I say that, is a psychological examination would probably backfire on Casey and would hurt her way more than it would help.

    This is because Casey, while no Einstein, I would say is a lot smarter than she likes to act. She is also clearly narcissistic which any shrink would find. While in my opinion she is not a sociopath (she does have the ability to care about others BUT she does not care about anyone or love anyone as much as she cares about and loves herself thus the narcissism) and she does appear to have other personality disorders and certain anti social personality disorders. Among them historonic (sp?) as in being overly and unnecessarily dramatic just to name a few.

    Casey in most instances is a person that would not be physically violent. I hate to say it, but before this happened, you could have stood next to her in line at the grocery store and not thought twice about her. She is the type that if you do not know her, she comes off as normal and has a way of putting on a facade of charm which is superficial of course and she has a way of appearing to be quite caring, quite sincere and quite honest when in fact she is lying her tail off to you. In fact she is the type of person that I think any shrink would say, she is the type that if you do not know her or do not know her well, she is the type that the person she is going to victimize would not see it coming until it was too late, they would be that fooled by her.

    From what I have read, it seems people that knew her, basically everybody knew she was a habitual liar but they were so used to it, they appeared to not be phased by it anymore, like it did not bother them. Like Casey just coming off with all sorts of tall tales, everything from being an event coordinator to being a college student, to being whatever depending on who she was trying to impress. Like I believe she told Tony Lazarro that she was a college graduate when in fact not only was she not a college graduate, she had never attended college. In fact, from what I understand Casey never even graduated from high school.

    Casey evidently did work at Universal Studios at one point but it was only for a couple of months and was not any special position. She was just a rank and file employee. Certainly no management or top of the line position like an event coordinator. She also at the time of her arrest had not worked at Universal for over 2 years. It appears to me Casey had not worked at all for over 2 years before her arrest but rather basically mooched off of her parents and various other people. In addition to that she was a chronic thief, stealing money from her 'best friend', her parents, her elderly grandmother and even breaking into Caylee's piggybank to get money.

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  3. Finally, in looking at this situation. Why did Casey kill Caylee? I personally think the issue is complicated. I do not think there was any one specific reason why Casey killed Caylee I think it was a wide variety of reasons that eventually added up to such an extent Casey killed Caylee.

    One reason I feel Casey killed Caylee was of course the burden of having a kid. Casey had wanted to give Caylee up for adoption. The only reason this did not happen is because Cindy would not allow it. Thus Casey was 'stuck' with a kid that she never really wanted. Caylee was cutting into Casey's party time and Casey resented having to stay home to babysit Caylee while her friends were out partying. It has been rumored though never officially confirmed that on several occasions that Casey had drugged Caylee so that Casey could go and party and Caylee would be passed out and not be a bother.

    Another reason I think and I think this is a big reason, was the relationship between Caylee and George and Cindy. George and Cindy seemed/seem to consider Caylee their daughter, like their third kid. I think Casey had always been a disappointment to her parents due to her lack of ambition and her lack of desire for an education or a job or really to do anything except mooch off of other people. So I think Casey was resentful of the attention that Caylee got from George and Cindy and how Caylee and those two had such a close bond and how they loved Caylee while Casey felt unloved and under appreciated.

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  4. Brava! Katfish, you've done what I have found impossible. You've read all the letters and organized the thoughts in them.

    One thing that struck me as interesting when I skimmed through them was the way in which Casey referred to her daughter as "Cays".

    It's never Caylee. I've also seen Casey referred to as "Cays". The grandparents jump all over people who confuse the two names which are, when pronounced one letter apart. Yet, if you listen to them, they have the same problem!

    But, when Casey refers to her daughter as "Cays", I have to wonder if she is subconsciously negating her existence, much as her brother did at the memorial by only referring to CMA (which referred to the 3 women in the family).

    Both Casey and Caylee may have been addressed as "Cays" within the family, we'll never know. However, I find the lack of clear-cut borders between grandmother, mother, and daughter somewhat disturbing.

    In my own family, I had and Aunt Betty and a Cousing Betsy. They had the same name, different nicknames to separate their identities. As Cousing Betsy grew older, she became Cousin Betty, still showing their individuality. The same happened with Uncle Bill and Cousin Billy.

    I wish I had studied more abnormal psychology!

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  5. In regards as to why Casey killed Caylee---correct me if I'm wrong, but Casey let Cindy babysit quite often prior to June 16th. Cindy obviously had Caylee the day she took her to see her Dad on Father's Day. Something obviously changed upon Cindy's return from the nursing home and I think it was the "fight" the neighbor reportedly heard. And remember all the calls Casey made June 16th to C&G's cells and work numbers that went unanswered? I'm thinking mom and dad were still obviously mad from the arguement the night before. I always remember too the comment Lee claimed Casey said..."maybe I'm a spiteful bitch". Telling words. I'm just thinking "out loud" here, I know it's been hashed and rehashed. lol.

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  6. Kadrmas21, Can you believe it? I finally got this entry done. I agree Casey's motive for killing Caylee is complex. I agree with everything you said. I personally don't believe Casey has seizures of any sort.....just gives her something to think about.

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  7. Ritanita,
    This is one of the hardest posts I've ever written....I wanted to give a fair representation but at the same time be realistic. Conclusion- abnormal psychology definitely applies and she seems to lie all the time, even when there seems no to reason to do so (as in benefit to her or the discussion at hand).
    I bet you are right about Casey's use of "Cays" instead of Caylee.
    I look forward to reading some forensic evidence, you know scientific tested and proven. That will be refreshing. LOL

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  8. Anon. 5/22 at 8:24 am,
    Thanks for commenting. I think your "thinking out loud" makes perfect sense. The reasons that Casey was considering "doing away with Caylee" was pretty complex but the "fight" is what gave her the "courage" to take action. I'm pretty sure that Cindy got an earful about Casey stealing from her grandfather's long-term care account on Father's Day.
    I fear Caylee went through hell those last hours as Casey was probably in quite a "tizzie".
    So sad. :`(

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  9. Katfish~~wow, you put alot of work into deciphering those letters. I found them so hard to read. I have to go back and read some more. Casey certainly lives in a fantasy world with her alter ego.

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  10. Katfish..I read that Shirley Pleasea told LE that Casey took the NH check in "spring of '08". I've never read however, when Cindy was told that by her mom. I'm wondering about the check being the reason for the fight because we're talking June 15th. So are we saying it was that very day that Shirley told Cindy and Cindy then exploded on Casey?

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  11. snoopysleuth!

    So glad to see you!

    I made an index of the letters and supplemental report, I think I'll tack it on to the end of this post. Make it easier for others to take the dive into the choppy sea of Casey fables. I have spent a month going over and over these trying to sort it out.LOL!

    All of the law enforcement who have tried to make sense of this case via Casey Anthony have my deepest sympathy.

    Alter ego indeed, need to tack a "s" on the end of ego for the rest of the bunch.....

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  12. katfish~~you have the patience of a saint. I think the prosecution may use alot of information from the letters that Casey wrote herself. It's all in her hand writing. It also goes to show she had no respect for the jail rules and regulations, passing the notes.

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  13. Patty,
    I remember a check was stolen from Shirley P.'s purse at,or around the time of Caylee's second birthday. I think Caylee's birthday was Aug.9 hmmm or was it the 12th? To be perfectly honest, I'm on information overload.

    I'm not certain when the money was removed from Mr. Pleasea's care account, spring of 2008 sounds right, first day of summer isn't until June 21.but I'm pretty sure that money was stolen via routing and account numbers.I think the theft happened before Father's Day, but I think it was likely discussed when Cindy took Caylee to see her parents that day. Seems likely that would have prompted Cindy to confront Casey that night......but then according to Cindy there was no fight that night. IIRC, Casey just decided to take her daughter away for a while so they could bond (none too soon she was almost 3 fcs.) The further out from July 2008, the less believeble the Anthony's scenerio of when, where and why Caylee went missing and died seems.....or is that just me feeling that way?
    Thanks for coming by Patty! :)

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  14. Good grief! I can just about quote these letters now with out looking at my notes. Tucked inside all the muck are some telling statements. Here is a really good example that she has no respect for law enforcement period:

    Casey wrote to Robyn, "I respect the fact you held your ground against the Feds. I know that wasn't easy. And again, let the similarities roll on."

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  15. katfish~~I am a night owl. I took my time and really read and absorbed your post. I am a bit suspicious that Baez did not balk at all about these letters being released. Well he certainly didn't read about Casey saying that Baez brought her letters from her parents which are considered contraband because they were not screened by jail administration.

    I am certain that Lyon will use the sexual abuse from these letters. I am also leery when Casey mentions the seizures and headaches. I wonder if the defense will say that Casey killed Caylee during a seizure and didn't remember until she came to. She then went into a panic and hid and then disposed of the body.

    When Zanny the nannie is mentioned, it makes me feel like Casey is describing herself. She unconsciously makes excuses for the nannie.

    BTW, Caylee DOB was Aug 09/05. Eric James Baker moved to Kentucky and got killed in a motor vehicle accident there in the spring of /07.

    I could be wrong but I thought Shirley Plesea gave Casey a check for her birthday and Casey stole the router number off it. Casey's birthday is in March.

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  16. Hey Snoopy~I tend to be a night owl too.

    I think you're right about Casey getting a check from her grandmother for her birthday....she had to get that router number somewhere in 2008. Do you recall the amount that was stolen from the long-term care account?

    I don't know why I'm feeling that fight on June 15 was over stealing from granddad's account? I feel as though I read it somewhere. Do you remember if Shirley's e-mails speak of it? Info overload in the worst way.

    I think Casey gave the defense all sorts of "thread" to embroider her original nanny story and defense in general in these letters.I never thought about the seizure angle. geesh!

    Thanks for the confirmation on Caylee's birthday(I wrote the 9th first but info overload kicked in).

    I wonder if Casey ever mentioned the possibility Eric Baker was Caylee's dad before he died?
    I don't know whether Jose missed the part about him bringing those letters to Casey or if it was that was outweighed by the opportunities Casey's letters presented. Seems like Robyn Adams did pretty well getting contraband in and out too.....

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  17. katfish~~IIRC Casey said she purchased a telephone with the money she stole off of Shirley. I think it was in the vicinity of around $300. The bank reimbursed Shirley the money but before they could press charges, Cindy paid the money to the bank. It seems to me that this all happened prior to June 15th. I tend to think that Shirley is telling the truth and that Cindy could not persuade her to lie to keep the peace but who knows.

    I do believe that a fight occured the evening of June 15th and it seems that it was over something Cindy learned from her visit with Shirley.

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  18. Katfish~~I just had another thought. When LE wanted to go and talk to Shirley Plesea, do you recall that Cindy went ballistic? She insisted on seeing her mother first. Her excuse was that she did not want her parents upset. I am beginning to wonder if Cindy wanted to tell her mother not to tell LE certain things, such as the big fight. I wonder if they will ever put Rick Plesea on the stand.

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  19. Ahhh...Snoopy I'm so glad to see your red hair and hat! ;)

    I give Shirley a lot of credibility too. I don't think she will lie on the stand, although she may "minimize" to protect Cindy.(I tend to think the only protection Cindy needs goes to perjury, nothing to do with Caylee.)

    Unfortunately, because I think he would be honest, Rick's testimony may be a lot of hearsay, unless he is used to rebut something Cindy testifies to.

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  20. Kat, what an incredible job you did. I agree with Snoopysleuth... you have the patience of a saint! KCs writing is difficult to read (visually).

    Hope you're having a great weekend; how did your flower planting turn out? I just bought a dozen geraniums for containers. I'll get them in this week. :)

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  21. Kat, what an incredible job you did. I agree with Snoopysleuth... you have the patience of a saint! KCs writing is difficult to read (visually).

    Hope you're having a great weekend; how did your flower planting turn out? I just bought a dozen geraniums for containers. I'll get them in this week. :)

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  22. Well thank you KB!
    Casey's writing is hard to read visually and mentally! I do hand it to her though, I copied her quotes exactly as she spelled them and she can spell. Her punctuations are whacky....but I won't criticize her too much I can write some mile long sentences here and there.
    I didn't get my flowers planted. I wore myself out before I could get started planting, had to move some stuff....got too hot.
    I love geraniums, sounds like you have a bit to do too. 8~)

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  23. Katfish - I really enjoyed your recap of the letters. I have also tried to muddle thru them. I think Casey killed Caylee because she was so mad at her mother and retaliation against Caylee was the perfect revenge. Casey left with Caylee, Caylee started throwing a fit or calling for Cici, Casey was stressed, Casey grabbed the duct tape (which I believe was already in her car, left there from a prior use)and taped her mouth shut. Maybe she was only intending to leave her taped up for a short while but the over taping did her in. Casey flips out and tries to think of what she can tell her parents. She goes back to her parents house. Sets up the pool ladder thinking she can say she drowned in the pool. She lays Caylee on the ground while she's doing this. Then she realizes, Caylee doesn't have a swim suit on. What will I say when my parents ask me, 'why did you put the pool ladder out and Caylee wasn't yet dressed to go swimming?". Scraps the pool drowning idea. Maybe I can bury her. Borrows shovel. Ground is too hard. What next to do? She's got a limp, dead daughter to deal with. She grabs a laundry room bag and plastic bag. She bags up Caylee and lays her in the trunk of the car. She mentally goes someplace safe in her mind and ends up at Tony's apt. She comes up with her Zanny story. Caylee is in the trunk. A few days later, Dad almost busts her when she must hand him back gas cans from her trunk plus the odor is getting worse. Quick, must dispose of body before Dad finds me again. But where? She's by the woods near the school. Stops car and checks. No other cars coming, quickly opens the trunk, scoops of the body, races into the woods, dumps body, races back to car and breathes sigh of relief and prays no one finds Caylee.

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  24. P.S. (adding on my previous comment). I think it would be very telling if the prosecutor could replicate a picture of the duct tape on Caylee's face based on the size of the duct tape and the size of Caylee's face for exact placement. We know it covered her mouth and nose but I think a jury seeing a computer generated replication of this would say a lot about the killer's intent.

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  25. Anon 5/27 11:20+:25,

    First off, thanks for stopping by and commenting!

    I agree that Casey likely killed Caylee in anger and to spite Cindy. While I haven't decided exactly how Caylee was killed, your theory makes a lot of sense. That would explain why the ladder was out, the cadaver dogs hitting in the back yard, borrowing the shovel and items being used from the home to dispose of Caylee.
    The day George noticed the cans gone, made the police report about the gas cans and Casey blocked George as he tried to get in the trunk was on June 24. That would have been 8 days that she left Caylee in the trunk assuming Caylee was killed on the 16th. I question rather Caylee's body was in the trunk that long in FL heat, but who's to say Casey didn't have a close call on another day. Whether Caylee was in the trunk or not George would know that smell. I have a feeling the SAO has more evidence than we have seen. They have to prove that Casey premeditated to kill Caylee or did so in the course of aggravated child abuse to get a conviction of 1st degree murder. I think your idea for a computer generated replication of Caylee with the tape would be a very vivid message.

    Here is a link to a transcript of the interview George gave to LE about the gas can incident:

    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2419801/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-Transcript-4-Aug08

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  26. Hello My Friend!

    WOW! Just WOW and kudos to you for getting thru those letters! They made my eyeballs ache! The patience of a saint and the mind of a great detective/profiler, to be able to wade thru the junk and find the meat - then to use it without prejudice to tell the story. You dear girl, ROCK!

    The letters, added to the disfunction we have witnessed in action, you really never know what goes on behind closed doors. I believe if the A's had not spent so much time and energy cleaning up after KC and made her take responsibility for her actions long ago - there never would have been a story out of Orlando about a missing two year old named Caylee Marie Anthony.

    I can just see how Cindy will twist these letters to show the kindly, mothering KC "adopting" other prisoners in spite of her own dire circumstances. Any comments by KC about her own troubles would be an attempt to bond and empathize. One comment I found very interesting -

    "I know that Caylee's nanny, the "real" Zenaida... I know in my heart that she's not responsible but I don't blame her for not showing her face. Would you want to be sitting here with me for something you didn't do?"

    Hmmm, if only the "real Zenaida" would show her face - KC would not be sitting there!

    Speaking of adopting - KC commenting on all the children out there who deserve to be loved - WTH? I would have beat her over the head with the book she left that note in.

    I love the motor-home you put them in, I kinda figured it would be an old, broken down Ford truck with a homemade camper shell - you know the kind I mean, a truck from the 1950's or early 60's that has spent 4 decades sitting in someone's front yard - up on blocks, one that they would be paid to take off the property!

    It seems somethings haven't changed at all - notice she wrote: "No matter how little or how much money I have someday, all I want is to live comfortably, not worrying about bills, food or even a few clothes." Aside from their cookbook she doesn't really mention where the money is going to come from - I guess it will magically appear, just like the money she has been using for years.

    OK; something changed here; "Everything in moderation and modesty." LOL

    Something of interest that Det Yuri pointed out - at the time KC told her newest bff Adams, about the remains turning up around the block from her folks house - LE had not yet released information about the blanket being found with the remains.

    What I recall about the missing money was that Cindy paid Shirley back the first time and convinced her not to call LE (this was money stolen at the time of Caylee's 2nd Birthday, the larger amount - The money missing from the nursing home acct; that KC told Shirley was to buy a phone (to use at work, for her nonexistent job) the bank refunded the account - Shirley told them she wanted them to press charges but for whatever reason the bank never followed thru. (I don't recall Cindy refunding this money).

    OK I'll stop. (I could pick apart those letters all day long!) Again excellent read as always. (((HUGS)))

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  27. LCM!!!
    Hello! I have missed you. I'm a bit under the weather this weekend so I will respond in length later, but I wanted give you a big {{{{HUG}}} Casey has several books on the burner I'll tell you about them in my response. I need to make a new blog entry about something,anything....
    I'm tossing around a few ideas about a few cases. TTYS

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  28. I don't know whether to call you Katfish or WonderWoman! You actually read every letter? That makes you the 9th Wonder! Seriously, though, I commend you! You never cease to amaze me, Kat!

    Seizures? Nada. Moments of D.D.? Most definately. Delusional Disorder. It's so typical of narcissists/sociopaths to be so delusional as to believe every word that proceeds from their mouths, and no matter how ludicrous the words that flow. And flow they do. This has never been more true than with Casey, who would just go on and on and on, with such incredible detail, and I am certain, while seeing the images of which she spoke in her head, even so that those things of which she spoke became her truths for the moment.

    As an aside, I would so like to know what the results were of whatever psychologicals, as well as the results of what polygraphs. It wouldn't surprise me, if she passed or the results were deemed inconclusive.

    Every now and then the possibility of split personality comes to mind, but thus far, I've seen no evidence of that.

    She baffles me, anyway,as she seems to be beyond even Broderick in callous coldness. Broderick's children served a purpose, and I don't know that she'd have had it in her to actually kill one of them. Nothing in this world, at this point in time, would convince me that Casey saw any good purpose in Caylee. That sounds harsh, doesn't it? I wish I felt able to apologize.

    ((0)) love ya.

    Feathers

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  29. HI Feathers!
    I'm glad you are getting to my stuff on Casey Anthony. Wonder Woman? Bwahhh! I did feel like i needed super human strength at times reading them. The post ended up being 3 parts, this being the third.

    I usually don't write specifically about the "breaking news" in this case. There are blogs (Trials and Tribulations and Marinade Dave are my favs) That break down the legal issues in a timely manner and so well there is no point for me to bother. I try to pick out things in the case that interest me. I can go months and not write about this case and then bam bam bam 3 in a row. LOL

    Dave's most recent post about the jail visits was very interesting. The Dr visit on July 23 who specializes in adults who suffered sexual abuse as a child is very telling....also interesting that Baez and Cheney were in there to put their heads together the next day. Casey never has taken a polygraph that I know off. Makes one wonder if those letters weren't a plant....Well one of them do anyway....I am looking into it and have started a blog on it. I got a little sidetracked with the missing person case that came up, Eric Preimesberger,30. I'll get back to it.
    Love ya back ((O))
    Kat

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